GUYS GUYS GUYS I FOUND A RATTY 911 GUYS THIS IS NOT A DRILL!!!!!!!!

"S65" (granthp) 09/15/2016 at 18:12 • Filed to: Porsche 911, 911, Dots, Ratty, Rare, Potential Project Car

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OH MY GOD OH MY GOD, GIVE IT TO ME BEFORE THE “#drivetastefully” CROWD GETS TO IT PLEASE OH PLEASE.

I would’ve taken more pics but I was in a hurry and the homeowner was there.

S65 > S65 09/15/2016 at 18:27

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BRO IM SO HYPED

jkm7680 > S65 09/15/2016 at 18:27

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That is a lot of money right there.

Future next gen S2000 owner > S65 09/15/2016 at 18:27

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Possibly a 912?

S65 > jkm7680 09/15/2016 at 18:28

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I KNOW, I KNOW

S65 > Future next gen S2000 owner 09/15/2016 at 18:28

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DON’T THINK ABOUT THAT

jkm7680 > S65 09/15/2016 at 18:29

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Some fuckhead flipper will probably buy it and make it too expensive for normal people.

I hate flippers of classic cars with a passion.

Die-Trying > S65 09/15/2016 at 18:30

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remember how you were talking about NEEDING a project car??............... well here is your chance. the owner being there was a GOOD thing.

that was your chance to offer the guy all the money you own( a fair reasonable amount) for the car.

hurry up and buy it, before someone else does..........

go talk to the guy...........

Die-Trying > S65 09/15/2016 at 18:34

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that guy is probably SO TIRED of having to mow around that stupid car......... if ONLY SOMEONE would haul it off so he doesnt have to mow around it anymore........... he could get his beautiful lawn back...........

S65 > Die-Trying 09/15/2016 at 18:35

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I’ll go tomorrow with a bit of cash and maybe a camera, thing is I don’t have anywhere to store this. Also I’m only willing to spend 7K at most and the owner proably wants more for this.

AfromanGTO > S65 09/15/2016 at 18:37

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Is it a 911 or 912? They used the same body, but had different engines.

CB > jkm7680 09/15/2016 at 18:38

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Welcome to capitalism, comrade. If someone is willing to buy it for a higher price, then that’s how it goes.

CB > S65 09/15/2016 at 18:39

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Even if it is, it would still be cool.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > S65 09/15/2016 at 18:41

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I too know where one is.

S65 > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 09/15/2016 at 18:44

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Pics please

Die-Trying > S65 09/15/2016 at 18:44

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lemme start out by telling you, $5000 is a WHOLE LOT of money for finally getting to have someone drag off the lifeless heap in the yard that you have to mow around......... make AN OFFER, and see what the guys reaction is......... if nothing else you get to find out about the car for sure........

and you get to find out “what do you want for it?”......................

Spridget > CB 09/15/2016 at 18:44

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But in America, we can bitch and moan about them.

Spridget > S65 09/15/2016 at 18:45

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If it’s a 912, $7k actually isn't unreasonable.

CB > Spridget 09/15/2016 at 18:46

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Oh, absolutely. Not in nice classic cars, though, since everyone else has bought them.

Spridget > CB 09/15/2016 at 18:47

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Classics can be found, it’s just desirable ones that are tricky.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > S65 09/15/2016 at 18:48

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It’s behind a wooden fence beside a shop.

CB > Spridget 09/15/2016 at 18:49

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Moral of the story: stop liking things other people like. Become an AMC fan.

LongbowMkII > S65 09/15/2016 at 18:49

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912>911 fact.

S65 > LongbowMkII 09/15/2016 at 18:50

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The 911 is worth more

LongbowMkII > S65 09/15/2016 at 18:51

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What’s the worst that can happen?

Well besides having a shotgun drawn on you. Besides that.

Die-Trying > S65 09/15/2016 at 18:55

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dont worry about taking cash. you dont want to lug that down there with you. the guy might be sketchy to boot.....(thats how to get stabbed)...... but TALK to the guy and ask HIM what he wants for it......... and if its too much, THEN you haggle. “ i got $ x,xxx that i can spend on it”... after you make the DEAL then you can tell the guy that you will be right back with the money.........

make sure the stupid thing has papers..........

LongbowMkII > S65 09/15/2016 at 18:55

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That'd be a bad thing. 99% of the allure of an early 911 is the aesthetics. The 912 is identical. 90hp is adequate for those anyways.

jkm7680 > CB 09/15/2016 at 18:57

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I don't like it because it limits people looking for their own project.

Die-Trying > CB 09/15/2016 at 19:05

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because NOBODY likes these..............

arl > S65 09/15/2016 at 19:18

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Buy it so I can live vicariously through you

S65 > Die-Trying 09/15/2016 at 19:21

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So mr.Die-Trying I talked it over with some family members and this is what they had to say about this

“ You should go over and take a look , even if you can’t afford it you’ll at least get to look a neat little car”

“ There are 911's that old? Neat.”

“ No, too rare it’s out of your depth, let someone more experienced handle this one. Maybe if were a 240Z or Nova or a Mustang or something. Don’t bother.”

S65 > arl 09/15/2016 at 19:23

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It ain’t looking so good buddy

Die-Trying > S65 09/15/2016 at 19:42

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“ignore the too rare out of your depth, dont bother” bit.........

stick to the plan.........

we were ALL inexperienced at some point in our lives............ research is your friend..........

knowledge.....<......experience......<......wisdom........

at some point, you get to “THE POINT” where you are able to tell your folks......... “with OR without your approval, i’m doing this”........ “be nicer with your support, BUT I AM DOING THIS”............

that is if its something you truly want......... if not, no big deal..........

its just up to you to decide whats worth fighting for.........

S65 > Die-Trying 09/15/2016 at 19:51

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I mean if it doesn’t have a engine or it’s been crashed and poorly repaired, I won’t go for it. If it’s in somewhat good condition I might tinker with it and maybe sell it for a bit more than what I may get if for. If it’s missing papers I’m not touching it.

S65 > Die-Trying 09/15/2016 at 20:00

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You’re doing a damn good job of trying to tempt me

Die-Trying > S65 09/15/2016 at 20:00

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and that is a GOOD plan.........

flipping it would be a shame.........just remember though, that 911/912 aren’t just falling out of trees anymore......... and you might be hard pressed to be able to touch another in AS GOOD condition......... thats ALL a big IF right now though.........

be fun to see how this goes........... best of luck........

Neil drives a beetle and a fancy beetle > S65 09/15/2016 at 20:02

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If I ever saw a project 911 or 912 that looked like maybe I could make an offer on it, I wouldn’t sleep until I knew the outcome.

Reminds me when I was exchanging some emails of interest in an MG MGB GT with a guy(asking price was like $2,000) and he mentions a 911 project he is going to be selling as well sometime that would interest me. Now, I contacted the guy over a $2,000 so I assume he knows, I’m not exactly balling. And so I ask what he’s thinking about getting for the 911, wait a day and a half and... $20k. Well crap.

S65 > Die-Trying 09/15/2016 at 20:03

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Thanks

Jdrentarol > S65 09/15/2016 at 20:14

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I NEED NOW

S65 > Jdrentarol 09/15/2016 at 20:20

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excuse me, I FOUND IT FIRST

Jdrentarol > S65 09/15/2016 at 20:21

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I’ll give you my motorcycle

S65 > Jdrentarol 09/15/2016 at 20:24

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what motorcycle

CaptDale - is secretly British > AfromanGTO 09/15/2016 at 20:25

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Does it matter?

Jdrentarol > S65 09/15/2016 at 20:26

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I couldn’t find pants so I had to wear sweatpants. It’s my pride and joy, a 1971 Honda C70 Passport. Very rare in the USA, made about 80,000,000 of these, still has original engine AND carburetor, runs amazingly well. Parts? Yeah right.

OneFastPuertoRican > S65 09/15/2016 at 23:07

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Your point? You’ll have more fun in the 912.

OneFastPuertoRican > S65 09/15/2016 at 23:09

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Upon first glance, looks like a ‘69-73 model with a passenger-side talbot mirror. Ask the owner if he’ll throw in the mower for free.

TheJWT > S65 09/15/2016 at 23:12

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Please buy it and keep it shitty. But not “unrestored original survivor” shitty. Like properly shitty

AfromanGTO > CaptDale - is secretly British 09/15/2016 at 23:13

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He can possibly get it for cheaper if it is a 912, because it isn’t a 911. lol

S65 > TheJWT 09/16/2016 at 07:07

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Like the Cletus-Vette?

S65 > OneFastPuertoRican 09/16/2016 at 07:08

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But I’ve already got two lawn mowers

Sam > S65 09/16/2016 at 07:50

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Just throw it on a trailer and have someone drive you around in it.

Spridget > S65 09/16/2016 at 08:00

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Wow, that last family member clearly doesn’t know old cars. 911s have absurdly simple VW derived flat engines, and are probably easier than a 240Z to restore. Just because it’s rare doesn’t mean it’s difficult.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > S65 09/16/2016 at 08:04

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Cletusvette is best Vette.

AuthiCooper1300 > S65 09/16/2016 at 08:06

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The way I see it, if it is a 912 and the engine needs urgent attention you would end up spending more to get it fixed properly than if it were a 911. If it is a 911 you can always put in a second hand 911 engine in reasonable condition to drive it around.

I understand working, not-too bad second hand 911 engines can still be had relatively cheaply?

(Of course you can also fit a 911 engine to a 912 to drive around, just be prepared for the cost of restoring the 912 engine...)

Just be careful about the condition of the general structure. 911s and 912s of that vintage were not exactly well protected against rust (in particular the bodies by Karmann, if I remember correctly). In particular, if the area around the rear torsion bars is bad, it may not be the car for you. Fixable, but very expensive to do.

Start looking at online buying guides for air cooled 911s. Now.

xyzabc > S65 09/16/2016 at 08:08

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Aside from the VIN or parts, these in this condition are best left to be viewed as unique / eclectic works of yard art...relentlessly enticing you with the potential of automotive glory, yet being wildly prohibitive in the cost to resurrect / achieve it.

AuthiCooper1300 > S65 09/16/2016 at 08:11

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Per se the lawnmower is unimportant. The idea is to give the impression you are doing the seller a favour. The moral of the story is: if you want a good but cheap 911 you have to be ruthless.

(My god, OneFastPuertoRican. You must be quite the buyer, I admire you)

AuthiCooper1300 > S65 09/16/2016 at 08:21

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Yeah. Around 1986, when I was a very young and rather impecunious University student I found a man who had a Giulia stepnose (1.6, Veloce) in slightly better condition that this car. Parked on the street. It was already getting vandalised (badges etc). He wanted more or less the equivalent 500 dollars (in today’s money). I did not know what to do. I was 20 and did not even have a driving licence yet.

I enlisted the help of my sister’s boyfriend, an engineer in his 30s who was madly in love with Citroën 2CVs. Don’t get me wrong, I love Citroën twins myself, but sometimes their owners hate bigger/higher performance cars with a passion.

He actively discouraged me from buying it.

I now understand there was an element of jealousy in the whole situation. Why should I be able some day to drive a 60s Italian sporty coupé, while he was still driving around in an 80s 2CV?

Six months later the owner was desperate and lowered the price to, say, 300 bucks and stupidly I passed.

Never again...

Rustholes-Are-Weight-Reduction > TheJWT 09/16/2016 at 08:30

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wanted to do this with this one:

http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/deta…

But other things got in the way

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > S65 09/16/2016 at 08:44

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You’re positive this isn’t a 912, right? Regardless...HOLY SWEET RAPTOR GEEZUS CHRISTMAS COOKIES!!!!! (O_o) Get to it before the Flippers and Outlaws take it!!

S65 > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 09/16/2016 at 09:05

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I was waiting for you, anything I need to look out for? I know the earlier cars weren’t galvanized and it has been sitting outside...

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > S65 09/16/2016 at 09:11

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That’s the only thing I’d be concerned with in regards to a pre-galvanized car. To my knowledge, the ‘63-73 cars aren’t too far off from the ‘74-77 cars I’m use to in terms of differences and similarities. You’ll be working with carburetors if you acquire this car. Much easier to tune than K-Jetronic I imagine.

S65 > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 09/16/2016 at 09:12

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Weber carbs right?

StndIbnz, Drives a MSRT8 > S65 09/16/2016 at 09:14

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Why would you post this and not have it already in your driveway? Whats the issue here?

S65 > StndIbnz, Drives a MSRT8 09/16/2016 at 09:15

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I can’t go to check it out right now and I’m quite unsure about the whole car.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > S65 09/16/2016 at 09:16

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I’m not too keen on carburetor makes and models, I’m too young to know about those other than how they work. However, those would seem to be the popular brand for Porsche restomods and modifications and restorations. It is possible.

StndIbnz, Drives a MSRT8 > S65 09/16/2016 at 09:19

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As long as it has front wheels its fine. Stuff a Subbi engine in it and drift away into happiness! Or hold onto it for another 5 years and make $1M because the bubble will never burst.....

S65 > StndIbnz, Drives a MSRT8 09/16/2016 at 09:21

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I don’t have money for a WRX swap.

AuthiCooper1300 > S65 09/16/2016 at 09:48

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Unless you really buy at an outrageous price what amounts to a worthless pile of rust only held together by paint and trim, it is quite likely that in the future you will be able to put the whole transaction into perspective and realise that ultimately it was a good thing. Don’t be stupid, but be brave.

In any case (even if you but just a pile of worthless rust) bear in mind that humans do tend to regret more what they didn’t do than what they actually did.

And regret can gnaw at your soul for decades.

fintail > S65 09/16/2016 at 09:56

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Just beware of terminal rot, it might be parked for a reason. Cars don’t often age well with grass growing under them. Could be a labor of love even if it has some holes, anyway.

I “found” an early 912 last weekend too, parked on the street, but I doubt it was abandoned or for sale for 5K :)

By the time I could get back to it in the fintail for a pic, it was gone.

Sam > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 09/16/2016 at 10:20

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K-Jetronic pretty much requires you contact one of the original engineers if it’s decayed enough.

StndIbnz, Drives a MSRT8 > S65 09/16/2016 at 10:46

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#sadface

KeedyT > S65 09/16/2016 at 11:10

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See how the back wheels are canted in at the bottom and there looks to be a big tire gap, there’s no engine and tranny in that poor thing. The front also looks collapsed and at the very least is missing it’s headlights. That was likely a parts car for some other project if I were to wage a guess.

I don’t want to squash ANYONE’S dreams but with the prices for even 912's with a long nose that hulk is going to cost a bundle. Sitting there in plain view that long says he probably thinks it’s worth even more than it is.

Approach him, but do it cautiously without expectations

CaptDale - is secretly British > AfromanGTO 09/16/2016 at 11:21

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Oh right, I though you were saying the 912 would be a bad choice. I like the 912

Die-Trying > KeedyT 09/17/2016 at 19:22

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say, on those.......... dont vw engines(type 1 stuff) bolt up?............

KeedyT > Die-Trying 09/17/2016 at 19:38

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Umm no! Yes the concept is similar but there are no interchangeable parts between a Bug and a 911

Die-Trying > KeedyT 09/17/2016 at 19:57

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what i mean, is that......... arent the bell-housing bolt patterns the same??

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top is a posche 911 6, and the bottom is a vw transaxle........... they LOOK pretty close to being the same..........

KeedyT > Die-Trying 09/19/2016 at 09:20

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You know, I had to check as yes you are right there ARE 4 bolts and the diameter of the bell housing is the same. Apparently it will bolt up but you have to do a careful dance of flywheel/clutch/throwout/starter mods/selection.

In my experience there were SO MANY small and large differences between VW flat 4s and the Porsche flat 6's that it was all relatable but all slightly different. Same tree, different branches.

Die-Trying > KeedyT 09/19/2016 at 10:25

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i can see how enough of those differences in the flywheel, clutch area could make things interesting........

it would be a backwards swap for sure,(vw 4 into porsche) but my thinking was that if the original engine was not usable(available), that the guy(s65) could round up an INEXPENSIVE(vw bug) engine, and have something to cruise up the block in..........

i always enjoy getting to talk to you guys that know your stuff on specific makes......... you are at least able to tell me WHY things are bad ideas......

thanks.........

KeedyT > Die-Trying 09/19/2016 at 11:26

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Your theory and point is well taken, but since you were curious.... it’s likely the 901 tranny is missing too and there is absolutely not a simple bolt up of the whole beetle drive-train. And while the VW motor might bolt up if there was one there getting it to function because of a whole host of issues would be a hassle.

Then :D - after you went to all the trouble of a “swap” (which has been done millions of times but is never cheap or easy) you end up with a bad ass 40 hp pushing around a once diginfied something.... so if one is entertaining “swap” you might as well go to all the trouble of putting in something with moar powah (subie, cheby, wankle, electric, hamsters)

Die-Trying > KeedyT 09/19/2016 at 11:47

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mmmmmm......... wankel........... theres a swap...............

i know all too well, “as long as youre going to the trouble.......”

youre right though, it would be a slug......... a pretty slug..........but still a slug.........

good talk..............

'Wägen, EPA LOL > S65 10/15/2016 at 13:46

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Then you definitely don’t have monies for a vintage 911 resto...

:(

Edit: sorry for necropost - didn’t notice date on this.